Welcome to another episode of CYSTP. My guest today has been shot, stabbed, bitten by a snake,

falling down a cliff, and much more, and is here to tell the story. Mark, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me, Jeff.

Actually, I think Margo told you that I was shot, but I haven't been shot only with a

BB gun, but my friend was shot right in front of me.

Okay, your friend was shot, but not you.

Yeah.

That's one thing I haven't had, which is good so far.

Okay.

Have you been stabbed?

Well, I got stabbed in the sense of like by the doctors

when I had my rock climbing accent. They put a chest tube in. Oh, wow. I have a big scar on my ribs from that.

So I've had, you know, I've had a lot of accents in my life. My rock climbing an for one, I was 17 years old, and we weren't climbing with ropes

or anything.

It was just kind of like me and my cousins, we go out hiking the trails and then kind of

turned into climbing the side of a cliff.

And so we were at, it's a place just north of Tucson called Pic called pucacho peak and it's a pretty rough trail they

have like some cables strung along the side so like to help you up it's a lot of switchbacks and we

were up there pretty high and then we just started climbing up these walls and i was the first one

going up so i was probably about like 40 50 60 up. And the rock started to kind of fall apart in my hands. It's kind of like shale. So like it fell apart. So I climbed up real quick and I got to like a little shelf. And I was up there for probably like an hour and a half. My cousins, I told them not to climb because they were lower than me. I said, climb back down because this is sketchy. So they got back down to like the pathway trail. And my cousins were kind of like, hey, try this area, try this area. And I'd finally about an hour and a half had gotten over to an area with like a, it was kind of like a half boulder and i had my arms on it and my

knees clenching it and there was where the water runs down so it was all solid rock and right

as i got my fingers on that it the boulder i was like hugging just disintegrated so i started

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