Shot Dead, Justified, Defended: America’s ICE Age
The Trawl
Jemma Forte & Marina Purkiss
4.7 • 867 Ratings
🗓️ 14 January 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
History's repeating itself …loudly.
In this Trawl, Marina and Jemma struggle to keep things light as America spirals deeper into terrifyingly authoritarian territory.
They discuss the killing of Renee Good by an ICE agent, the disturbing footage that followed, and the speed with which Trump’s administration moved to justify, sanitise and defend her death. From the tripling of ICE’s budget to the erosion of judicial oversight, this episode lays bare what happens when a heavily armed force is unleashed with political cover and “absolute immunity”.
Along the way, there’s Trump’s increasingly unhinged behaviour, a media ecosystem willing to dehumanise the dead, and the uncomfortable truth that Renee was not the first person killed in ICE custody - just the first white person caught on tape.
It’s an angry, upsetting, necessary listen with moments of solidarity, clarity and humanity where the Trawl ladies can still find them.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | I'm going to say one thing, fuck Trump. |
| 0:15.5 | Hello and welcome to The Trawl where sometimes we wish we'd embarked on another podcast genre, |
| 0:23.0 | so we didn't have to deal with the world being on fire. |
| 0:26.1 | I'm Marina Perkis. |
| 0:27.6 | And I'm Jeborete. |
| 0:28.9 | And I feel you, Marina Perkis. |
| 0:30.7 | I don't know. |
| 0:31.1 | Maybe we should do like a dating pod or something. |
| 0:33.0 | Oh, actually, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. |
| 0:35.7 | Dating is probably more of a minefield. |
| 0:38.9 | In fact, it's just as grim. |
| 0:39.9 | Yeah. |
| 0:40.9 | It's geopolitics with perhaps better lighting, but it's still, it's shifting alliances, right? |
| 0:46.1 | It's red lines. |
| 0:47.4 | It's massively loads of red lines. |
| 0:49.4 | It's historic baggage as well. |
| 0:51.5 | And also, you're only ever one badly worded text away from sanctions. Oh, and more |
| 0:57.2 | flags, more flags than the UN. A lot of them are read as well. So that's a no then. Another genre, |
| 1:06.3 | perhaps? What about a cooking podcast? We both love our food. We could. I reckon we'd last a few minutes before. One, we got pissed or two, one of us went, speaking of risotto, have you seen what the government's been cooking up this week? |
| 1:21.1 | You're so right. Okay. Yeah. No, true. Literally, you'd give us a sauce pan and we would still find a way to soate a political scandal in it. |
| 1:30.3 | Sorting. Sorting. Sauting. Was it my first mispronunciation? Yes. Oh my God. That went so early. Sorte. Sorte. Sauté. Definitely not soutte. |
| 1:43.0 | For fuck sake! |
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