Hello and welcome to the Apple Insider Podcast. This is your host, Steven Robles, and for

this very special interview episode, I have a special guest with me, Matthew Kessinelli.

You can might see him as the shortcuts guy on Twitter, and he's also on various podcasts.

He's on the Twitch network as well. But Matthew Kessinelli, thanks so much for joining

us today.

Thank you much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.

Yeah, man. So first of all, you were actually on the original workflow app team, and I was

an early adopter. I loved the workflow app. It felt like you guys had to have been breaking

some rules to get that thing to do what it did. I don't know. I mean, it stayed in the

app store, and it was incredible enough that Apple actually bought it, but it's talked

to me, how did you end up on the workflow team?

Sure. I joined up a while after we had had started. So I feel like one of the luckiest

people in just how that all went down, because it was, I had no idea that we'd get acquired

like nine months after I joined the team. But I first heard about workflow through websites

like Mac Stories, and probably I'm not sure if you that's how you heard of it too, but

especially when workflow ended up having the widget issue with Apple that I feel like

you're sort of referencing where they did actually literally get kicks out of the store.

Ironically, there's a video of that moment where the team was screen recording, how many

followers they were getting on Twitter, and you can literally see me follow them in the

video. It's actually pretty wild. It's like we didn't find that out until after we got

acquired, and it was like just looking back. And they were like, what? You can see Matthew's

name in here. I worked out another company and was basically looking for a new role, and

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