We're bringing Australian True Crime live to Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne this July,

and I have to tell you that Brisbane sold out already.

Good for you, Brisbane, so we've quickly added a second show.

Now we can't keep adding more shows, so please make sure you get your tickets. Our special guests,

our forensic criminologist Santee Mallet in Brisbane and Sydney and the one and only Charlie Bazzina in

Melbourne. There'll be a Q&A of course so you can ask your own burning questions on the night but you have to book quickly.

This is a true crime podcast as the title suggests.

So please consider this your warning that it's not suitable for children and it probably will

contain content that may be triggering to some people. Also it's an Australian

true crime podcast so Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

listeners should be aware it may contain the voices of deceased people.

The producers of this podcast recognize the traditional owners of the land on which it's recorded.

They pay respect to the Aboriginal elders past, present and those emerging.

Like many of us, our guest today has researched her family tree using one of the online ancestry websites.

Unlike most of us, Julie de Bella found a serial killer lurking in hers.

Julie has spent the last couple of years researching the crimes of her great-great-grandfather,

Robert Francis Burns, who's gone down in the history books as Australia's first serial killer.

She's writing a book about her infamous ancestor and she joins us on Australian True Crime

today to tell us what she's uncovered so far.

I was working on my family tree.

Every so often I'll, I'm a tired ass and I'll get a subscription to ancestry and I decided my

task at the time was to work out where each ancestor arrived in Australia and I noticed I had a bit of a dead end and I had two great-grandparents

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