Shortcut: Living Among the Mafia - ATC International
Australian True Crime
Bravecasting
4.5 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 3 June 2026
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Summary
When Sanne de Boer bought a rundown house in southern Italy, she thought she'd found a bargain in a beautiful village.
Instead, she found herself living in a community where the influence of the 'Ndrangheta, one of the world's most powerful mafia organisations, touched every aspect of daily life.
Sanne joins us to discuss her book The New Mafia and what she learned living in the shadow of Italy's most powerful criminal empire.
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Host: Meshel Laurie
Guest: Sanne de Boer
Producer: Ruby Bartzis
Executive Producer/Editor: Matthew Tankard
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| 0:00.0 | This is Australian True Crime International with Michelle Lorry. |
| 0:03.8 | In 2006, Dutchwoman Sana DeBoer had a small financial windfall and became one of those |
| 0:09.6 | people we read about who bought an incredibly cheap, rundown house in a picturesque village in Italy's |
| 0:15.9 | Calabria region. She was aware of the region's reputation as a mafia stronghold, but found it hard to |
| 0:22.1 | believe her sweet neighbours could be involved in anything like that. Eventually, though, Suna began to |
| 0:28.2 | realise that the very fabric of everyday life in her village was controlled by a strict code, |
| 0:33.9 | enforced by the Drangida, one of the most powerful crime organisations in the world. |
| 0:38.9 | Sunny has written a book about her observations and experiences. |
| 0:42.7 | It's called The New Mafia, and she joins us to talk about it. |
| 0:46.4 | This is Australian True Crime. |
| 0:48.7 | We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is created, |
| 0:53.1 | the Wurundri Woi Warang people of the Koolin Nation. |
| 0:56.6 | And a warning, this episode of the podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence. |
| 1:06.4 | I was invited by an author to help them write their book. So I was working there actually as an editor. I had never been in the south of Italy. I was immediately, I fell in love with the natural beauty of the place. I was living on this beautiful hilltop village by the sea. The people in the village was super welcoming to me. |
| 1:29.4 | It was just, I had never expected to want to stay there after finishing that book, but I couldn't help it. |
| 1:37.1 | It feels like you turned a dream into reality. You turned something that seems like a ridiculous fairy tale into reality. |
| 1:44.0 | You're actually doing it. Maybe I had an |
| 1:46.2 | idea that it would teach me a lot about the world as well, but of course I couldn't know at that |
| 1:51.5 | point. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it is important to note that you were an editor, |
| 1:55.9 | you were working in, for a publisher, right? So you weren't working as a journalist. You didn't move there to write |
| 2:02.0 | a book about this. I certainly didn't move there to investigate the mafia. That's what's so great |
| 2:07.5 | about it, because initially it really is a story about someone who moves into this environment. |
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