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Hey and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh and there's Chuck and there's short stuff. Jerry's

here too. Dave's here in spirit in short stuff. That's right. Shout out to our old friends at

houseofworks.com and in particular Michelle Kahn Stan Tenoffsky. Great name.

For this piece on the 639 year-long concert from a very no longer with us, you died in 1992,

but a very avant-garde to say the least composer that you've probably heard of named John Cage.

Yeah, John Cage. I knew his name sounded familiar, but I couldn't quite place it until I ran

across his piece or mention of his piece 433. Four minutes and 33 seconds. That in and of

itself made John Cage famous even to people like me who are an end to avant-garde 20th-century

American composing. You should say what it is because it really explains everything we need to

explain about John Cage. So 433 is a composition that's just four minutes and 33 seconds of silence.

There's no instruments playing a single note whatsoever. If you came out on stage and did 433

at a piano, you'd just sit there for four minutes and 33 seconds. Have you watched it performed?

I haven't. I bet it is really uncomfortable in a lot of ways. Well, it's interesting. It's

performance art in a way because like you said, it's not like you can just sit in a room and say

that's your show. It's to be performed. The German Philharmonic on YouTube says this is 433.

The conductor gets up there, raises his hands, and then no one does anything. He goes into the second

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