Shooting the Shit About Cancelled Books and the Shy Girl AI Discourse
The Shit No One Tells You About Writing
Bianca Marais, Carly Watters and CeCe Lyra
4.8 • 842 Ratings
🗓️ 6 April 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
It’s chaos in publishing—and Carly and CeCe are breaking it all down. From the AI controversy behind Shy Girl to growing fears around trust, authorship, and what readers actually want. They get real and talk about layoffs, imprint closures, and what it means for writers navigating an already tough landscape. Plus: the reality of editor turnover, the flood of self-published books, and why literary fiction might be poised for a comeback.
Note: CeCe Lyra is a literary agent at Wendy Sherman Associates. If you’d like to query CeCe, please refer to the submission guidelines at www.wsherman.com. Carly Watters is a literary agent at P.S. Literary Agency, but her work on this podcast is not affiliated with the agency, and the views expressed by Carly on this podcast are solely that of her as a podcast co-host and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, policies, or position of P.S. Literary Agency.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to another episode of Shooting the Shit with literary agents Carly Waters and Cece Learro, |
| 0:08.2 | where we dissect publishing gossip, discuss book industry trends, and the overall state of the book business. |
| 0:14.1 | If you've ever wanted to grab a coffee with two literary agents, grab your mug and pull up a chair. |
| 0:26.2 | Thank you. agents, grab your mug and pull up a chair. Hello, C.C. It's nice to see you after our week off. As I made an Instagram |
| 0:30.3 | real about it was quite a week that we didn't choose to be off necessarily, but that was our |
| 0:34.5 | bi week, which for you non-sports people means take a week off |
| 0:38.8 | that is a sports term I will admit but yeah how are you doing and since I haven't seen you |
| 0:43.2 | know that was a sports term I thought you made it up I thought it was a good no interesting no |
| 0:47.3 | it's like when you're in a tournament or you're like doing a round robin yeah I don't know |
| 0:51.6 | with the with your sports things against the various teams and your buy is like your week off. Interesting. I thought it was a Carly thing. It's still a Carly thing. But yeah. Yeah, too much happened. Too much happened. I know. It was a lot. It was a lot. Oh my gosh. I feel like we were texting each other, like all the things. And what a week. What a week to be off. |
| 1:13.7 | But today is April 1st, though, which means it's April Fool's. I know it's not airing on April Fool's, but we are recording on April Fool's. Do you partake in April Fool's? Historically, have you? |
| 1:25.2 | I was just looking back through my Canva, you know, like, you know, I make images for social media. |
| 1:29.4 | I was like, I thought I did a good April Fool's one time on Canva because sometimes I'll recycle Canva posts. |
| 1:34.2 | And I went back and I found one that I made for the podcast account like three-ish years ago. |
| 1:40.3 | And any long time fans of the pod probably remember this but i posted early in the morning |
| 1:46.5 | on april the first like the it was like kind of a multi-page carousel and it's like big news and |
| 1:53.7 | then the next carousel's like the shit-do-and-tose about writing has changed our stance on prologs |
| 1:59.2 | we now we've we've've just, after immense reflection, |
| 2:02.8 | we have decided that we are actually in favor of prologs. We were wrong all along. |
| 2:08.6 | And we will now only accept submissions with prologs. Anyway, it got a few people, but most |
| 2:14.8 | people were like, oh my God, I knew it was a, you know, April Fool's right away. But I'm not traditionally very good at it. I kind of forgot about it. My kids tried to punk me this morning. They have this, like, robotic lizards. They have multiple robotic things, but they have, like, robotic lizard that climbs on the floor. They also have, like, a robotic bug that climbs on the wall. So they were like trying to get me with the robotic insects and lizards. |
| 2:37.7 | Oh, that's cute. Aw, babies. I know they're not babies anymore, but I think as long as kids are little, I call them babies. Yeah, they're smaller than you. Yeah. I'm terrible at April Fool's. I always fall for the jokes. |
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