Okay, we are alive. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on today's show. I have two very special guests.

They come to us from the East Coast Long Island. It's John Ray, R-A-Y, and Lena at J-G-A-J-I-T, excuse me.

And I came across their material. I was on social media, and I was watching the occ occult rejects and they showed this press conference that took place on June 13th, 2024.

And I just casually opened and looking at his most extraordinary press conference I've ever seen.

And it's about the Rex Hewerman, Lisk, Gilgo Beach case, which I've covered.

That covered the original bail documents that were published in 2023 after his arrest.

Really incredible how he's been operating for that long.

But I then reached out to them because I wanted to get a copy of their press documents

just to take a look at them because the pictures and the research that they had done was so extraordinary.

And then I just kind of casually asked for an interview and here we are.

And their press conference did not take place kind of in a vacuum.

There was another press conference by the local DA.

His name was Tierney.

That was June 6th. And there were two additional charges and more material, like a 32-page. There was a superseding indictment or another

bail document that went in more greater detail about what Hugh Ormond was up to, which included

some kind of document where he was listing out his crimes in great detail,

and also they found two books by John Douglas among his belongings.

And one was Mind Hunter,

so like this Mind Hunter series that kind of ties into what Netflix showed,

and I've done some criticism about John Douglas myself.

But I'm showing here if you're watching this on YouTube, X, or Rockfin,

some of the press material and some of the research that they found, this new information,

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