Shock and Awe is NOT a Governing Strategy
The Lincoln Project
The Lincoln Project
4.6 • 9.1K Ratings
🗓️ 29 April 2025
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Summary
Author, journalist, documentarian, and television producer, Chris Whipple, is an expert on the political game and is always VERY plugged into DC's rumor mill. This week, Chris joins Rick to discuss everything from Trump's governing chaos to the formidable Susie Wiles, to a peek behind the curtains about what was happening in the White House at the end of Biden's term and how everything transpired when the Harris campaign took over (coming from a highly reputable source).
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Please check out Chris's new book, "Uncharted: How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History," and follow Chris on X at @ccwhip and on Bluesky at @whipplc.bsky.social.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi guys, here's my morning routine. |
| 0:02.5 | First, I drink olive oil, like a lot of it. |
| 0:05.8 | That's good. |
| 0:06.8 | Next, I take an ice bath. |
| 0:08.6 | Ooh, feeling super healthy. |
| 0:11.0 | Can't fit with toes. |
| 0:12.0 | Breakfast is raw liver. |
| 0:13.9 | Okay, here we go. |
| 0:15.6 | Oh, real good. |
| 0:17.4 | If your health advice sounds strange coming from a kid, maybe it's just strange. |
| 0:22.3 | Signos pairs AI with a biosensor so you can track your body's unique responses to food, movement, and more in real time. |
| 0:29.5 | Signos. |
| 0:31.2 | Campaigning, you're trying to destroy your opponent. |
| 0:35.0 | Governing, you're trying to make love to your opponent. |
| 0:40.8 | I apologize for the unfortunate image. But it's true, and Trump has never understood the difference. |
| 0:46.7 | Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped, and battlehardt. |
| 0:52.7 | There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. |
| 0:57.0 | There is the United States of America. |
| 1:01.9 | Good night and good luck. |
| 1:04.0 | Hey, folks, it's Rick Wilson. |
| 1:05.1 | Welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast. |
| 1:06.7 | I am your host, as always, and I am delighted to be joined today on the show by Chris Whipple. |
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