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Hello and welcome to the BBC Gardner's World magazine podcast, brought to you by the team

here at the magazine. Join us as we chat all things gardening with the nation's favourite experts.

With a successful career in the music industry in the 1980s with the band Wham,

Shirley Kemp has switched her microphone for a pair of secateurs as she takes on the task of

renovating her garden at Maison No. 9.

I'm Claire Venice from Gardner's World magazine magazine and I'm delighted to welcome Shirley to the podcast

for a look inside her enchanting garden.

Hello Shirley.

I like that.

I've definitely swapped everything for a pair of secretaires.

I'm constantly buying them because I lose them all the time as well.

People must think, why should you keep buying them?

But yeah,

that's me now. Keep falling out your back pocket. Yeah, I just leave them in places. And I think,

oh, yeah, I mean, we do that all the time. Gardening equipment, we're really bad. We don't have a

location where we keep anything. So I'll often walk around and that, oh, that's where the rake was,

because it's quite a big garden. So we need little tool stations everywhere. That's brilliant.

Little places you can put things throughout the garden. So when did your love of gardening come from?

When did that start? I would say it started when I was about three years old. My father was a builder

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