Shirley Jackson’s biographer on the writer’s ability to find evil in the ordinary
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🗓️ 29 October 2025
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, it's NPR's book of the day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. I was in middle school when I first read |
| 0:07.9 | Shirley Jackson's The Lottery. I remember feeling genuinely freaked out and scared and looking |
| 0:14.4 | around at the other kids who were just as spooked as I was. It's kind of incredible that a writer |
| 0:20.1 | could have that kind of power to |
| 0:21.9 | scare a bunch of kids who were sitting in a well-lit classroom in the middle of an otherwise |
| 0:27.1 | ordinary school day. But Jackson's biographer, Ruth Franklin, says Jackson's gift was |
| 0:33.0 | seeing evil in the quote, most mundane circumstances. Franklin's book, Shirley Jackson, |
| 0:39.4 | A Rather Haunted Life, came out in 2016, and she spoke with NPR's Linda Wertheimer about |
| 0:44.3 | how Jackson's difficult childhood and her overall unhappiness with her home life fed into her |
| 0:51.5 | horrific fiction. That's coming up. |
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| 1:14.4 | Shirley Jackson was a fairly famous writer in her short life. |
| 1:18.7 | She wrote a number of novels, two of them bestsellers, one nominated for the National Book Award. Probably the most famous book was called The Haunting of Hill House, published |
| 1:24.7 | in 1959, but about a decade earlier, she wrote a short story for the |
| 1:30.1 | New Yorker magazine, which started conversations all over the country. The story was called The Lottery. |
| 1:37.5 | There's a new biography of Shirley Jackson by Ruth Franklin. Franklin is a critic and writer |
| 1:43.2 | whose work has also been published in the New Yorker |
| 1:45.9 | magazine. The book is called Shirley Jackson A Rather Haunted Life. Ruth Franklin joins us from our |
| 1:53.2 | studios in New York City. Thank you for doing this. My pleasure. So Ruth Franklin, why did you feel |
| 1:59.3 | this was a time to write about Shirley Jackson? She's been dead for 50 years. Her work is still mostly in print, so she's not been forgotten. But I think you'd have to go to someone my age to hear how shocking some of her writing was at the time it was published, something like the lottery. |
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