Hello and welcome to seeing Red, a true crime podcast on Mark.

And I'm Beth in.

Jingle bells, jingle, jingle.

Can you add some in actually, Mark?

That would be nice.

Yeah, I'll add something in.

Because, why?

This is coming to you on Christmas Day.

It's Christmas actual day.

Not when we're recording this, obviously.

We're not stupid.

But on the day that you're potentially listening to this, it's Christmas Day.

A lot of people will be out travelling, so they could be listening to us which is exciting to think

driving home for christmas yeah no beth then no okay no i'll stop um this is part one of the two

part as well isn't it beth and it's in a rare move for us we are not going to be releasing part two

until new year's day so um yeah but, but it's, it's chunky,

isn't it? It's a big episode. Yeah. We are sorry because we don't usually do this. We used to do

this quite a lot and then we realized actually we'd rather give you a couple of different episodes,

but all in one go but actually we would love to

still have our little break that we have over Christmas but rather than leave you guys with nothing

dropping into your earphones um we thought we'd release it in two different episodes so we don't normally

do this but yeah we thought we would and it is a two-parter and as mark said it's

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