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Shellfish Deaths, Chemical Safety, Humpback Songs. July 23, 2021, Part 2

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🗓️ 23 July 2021

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Billions Of Sea Creatures, Lost To Heat Waves A couple weeks ago, the Pacific Northwest saw record-breaking temperatures. News coverage captured countless people suffering, and dying, during triple-digit heat the region had never seen before. Portland and Seattle reached their highest temperatures ever recorded. Canada set a new record for the highest temperature ever seen in the country with a measurement of 118 degrees Fahrenheit in British Columbia. However, there are still more victims of the climate crisis tragedy in the Pacific Northwest: coastal wildlife. Experts estimate that over the course of that one scorching weekend, over a billion sea creatures died. Starfish, mussels, oysters, clams, barnacles, sea snails—all of these animals and more virtually baked to death on the beach as they sat, helpless, in the intense heat during low tide.  Chris Harley, a marine biologist at the University of British Columbia, witnessed this die-off firsthand. He joins Ira to talk about what this loss means for the future of life along the coast.      EPA Whistleblowers Allege ‘Atmosphere Of Fear’ Earlier this month, four whistleblowers from the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) chemical safety office went public with allegations of intimidation and downplayed chemical risks, stating: “The Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention is broken… The entire New Chemicals program operates under an atmosphere of fear—scientists are afraid of retaliation for trying to implement TSCA the way Congress intended, and they fear that their actions (or inactions) at the direction of management are resulting in harm to human health and the environment.” John Dankosky spoke with two of the whistleblowers, along with Sharon Lerner, an investigative reporter who originally broke this story for The Intercept. As EPA staff, they were not authorized to speak with the press, but chose to participate in this interview as private citizens regarding a matter of public concern. We contacted the EPA and received the following statement: “This Administration is committed to investigating alleged violations of scientific integrity. It is critical that all EPA decisions are informed by rigorous scientific information and standards. As one of his first acts as Administrator, Administrator Regan issued a memorandum outlining concrete steps to reinforce the agency’s commitment to science. EPA takes seriously all allegations of violations of scientific integrity. EPA’s scientific integrity official and scientific integrity team members will thoroughly investigate any allegation of violation of EPA’s scientific integrity policy that they receive and work to safeguard EPA science. Additionally, EPA is currently reviewing agency policies, processes, and practices to ensure that the best available science and data inform Agency decisions. EPA is committed to fostering a culture of evaluation and continuous learning that promotes an open exchange of differing scientific and policy positions. Additionally, retaliation against EPA employees for reporting violations alleged to have occurred will not be tolerated in this administration.   EPA leadership are reviewing these complaints, and any appropriate action will be taken.”   How The Humpback Says Hello A humpback whale makes two kinds of noises. The first are songs, long, elaborate, patterned and rhythmic vocalizations made by mature males, with some connection to the mating ritual. Within any given pod, every male sings the same song, but the songs themselves are different in pods around the world. The second kind are calls, short sounds made by every whale, that seem much more consistent across populations and over time. Of around 50 documented kinds of calls, scientists have settled on the meaning of one for sure: the sound the whales make when feeding on one specific kind of fish. In the decades since scientists first began to investigate the calls and songs of humpback whales, the exact function of these noises has been a tough mystery to crack. Humpbacks’ watery habitat makes researching them difficult and expensive, and the whales themselves live on slow time scales that make leaps in understanding a process that can take decades.  Now, the new documentary Fathom tells the story of two researchers working to further understand what humpback whales are saying, and why they say it. Cornell University researcher Michelle Fournet investigated a call—the ‘whup’ call—that seems to be a greeting, and found when she played the sound underwater, the whales responded back to her. And University of St. Andrews scientist Ellen Garland scoured recordings of South Pacific humpbacks to find out how pods will suddenly adopt new songs despite little contact with other populations. Ira talks to Garland and Fournet about their work, the complexity of whale communication, and how understanding it better could help save them from human threats.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato. You've all watched news footage of folks in the Pacific Northwest suffering and dying during record triple-digit heat they've never seen before. But there is also another climate tragedy. The devastation of the coastal wildlife estimates that over a billion sea creatures have died. We're talking starfish,

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mussels, clams, barnacles, sea snails, all of these animals and more virtually baked to

0:29.4

death on the beach, as they said helpless in the scorching heat during low tide. Here to talk about

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what this means for the future of life along the

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coastline is someone who witnessed the die-off firsthand. Chris Harley, professor in the Department of

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Zoology at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. Welcome to Science Friday.

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Thank you for having me. Tell us what you saw on the beach. Was it Kitsilano Beach in Vancouver?

0:56.8

Kitsilano is the neighborhood where I live. And so I went down to my local beach on the middle

1:03.1

day of the heat wave just out of curiosity to see if anything interesting was happening.

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And before I saw anything, I smelled it. And it was the smell of death, and that was a

1:13.4

very bad sign. That was the consistent comment from people that have lived here for decades,

1:18.3

is I've never smelled anything like that before. And a friend of mine called it the new smell of

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climate change. And then going to other beaches on the following day, I realized the extent of the die-off.

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It was unprecedented in my experience.

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It was just dead muscle after dead muscle for kilometers.

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So as a scientist, how do you rationalize what you just saw and what you experienced?

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I feel like, you know, when you go through the stages of

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grief, you also go through stages of scientific excitement. And the first was, oh, I'm going to

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learn something from this. And then it became much more depressing and sobering when I realized,

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well, like, there's only so much I can learn from things that are already dead. I came to measure

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how hot they were getting. And I can't because they that are already dead. I came to measure how hot they were getting,

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and I can't because they've already died. And I'm worried because the magnitude of this die-off

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