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I'm Mark Stephen with me this week.

A nice change.

Miss Karen McKenzie.

That sounds like a compliment.

From a distance.

From a distance, you half shut your eyes.

It's not too bad at all.

How did you end up here?

Very good question.

It is a good question.

I'm paid to ask them, you know.

You do it very well. Thank you.

I've been hanging around. I've been hanging around it out for the weekend team.

And if you hang around, you know, quite a lot, you get asked to work. So, there we are. I'm here.

I'm working. If you don't cycle away fast enough, you're cornered. There is that, but I am going to be doing that very shortly.

You went back to one of your old stamping grounds this week.

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