Welcome to the bulwark. I am joined here by Sarah Matthews. Hey, Sarah. Thanks for having me.

You've got the Sarah's and you are the newest employee at the bulwark. Congratulations.

I'm so excited to be part of the team. Your job is going to be on TikTok. I don't even have TikTok because I think it's Chinese spyware. So explain to me why you are like a

TikTok star. I feel like at this point, I'm so addicted to TikTok that I might as well capitalize on it.

And so that's why I'm excited to be working with the bulwark to expand their presence there.

I think, too, that I've just accepted that every major social media

app has all my information. So might as well just give it to the Chinese at this point, too.

So I'm like, okay, well, I enjoy TikTok. I have a lot of fun with it. I've given up on the security

of it. But I think that also TikTok is such a good resource because it's where people are getting

their news now. And so I think that it's important for the bulwark to have a presence there.

When I think about communications, because I am like 20 years older than you are, but I like

also came up in the communications world, Republican communications world. You know, it's like we wrote press

releases and you went to the media. And now it's funny, like you and I live, we both are on

platforms. I'm just a, I'm a Twitter person who will not call it X, but like I am addicted to

Twitter. That is where I live. That is where I do politics in terms of the exchange of it. And then like in between is I think Instagram, which, you is where I live, that is where I do politics, uh, in terms of the exchange of

it. And then like in between is I think Instagram, which, you know, I, I only recently had to get on, which I, and I still don't understand it. Like I, people who send me messages there, if I'm not replying to on Instagram, it's because I don't understand how to do it. And then like the really young people like you are on TikTok and Tim. Tim's on

TikTok. It is an absolute truth that that is where young people are getting their information,

like for better or worse, which is crazy. It's like not only do we live in different information

silos, but like generationally, we're on different platforms. Are you a Jen? Are you a zoomer? Yeah, I'm right in the middle of

Gen Z and millennial. I think I'm technically the youngest year of a millennial. The reason that I know

you and that we all sort of move in the same universe of stuff is that although you are like

a never Trumper come lately, no offense, right? Like,

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