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The Secret To Success with CJ, Karl, Jemal & Eric Thomas

She Said No: What To Do When Your Feelings Lie To You | S2S 542

The Secret To Success with CJ, Karl, Jemal & Eric Thomas

S2S podcast

Business, Health & Fitness, Education, Entrepreneurship, Self-improvement

4.96.6K Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

She said no. You got down on one knee, opened the box, asked the question, and she said no. Not "I need time." Not "maybe later." She said no. So now what? In Episode 542, the crew tackles one of the most vulnerable questions a man can face: what do you do when your feelings are telling you one thing, but the data is telling you something completely different? A brother writes in after proposing to his girlfriend of several years, only to hear her say she's not ready. He's confused, hurt, and stuck between staying or walking away. ET, Karl, CJ, and Jemal break down why feelings will lie to you every single time, and why the data never does. ET gets raw about the moment Dede told him she didn't feel safe, not physically, but emotionally and mentally. How his ego wanted to defend what he'd built, but the data told him something else entirely. He shares how he got off the road for four months, gave her predictability, and watched their marriage transform because he stopped going with his feelings and started going with the facts. Karl brings the "what by when" accountability framework that keeps you honest. Jemal drops the vision about getting in front of your future, how he started his daughters' 529 plans when they were toddlers, and why Yani just graduated from Michigan State debt free. CJ tells the Slim Thug story, the moment he reached out to a Houston legend to help an artist he was mentoring, got ghosted, and realized the most important lesson of his career: stop asking people to do for you what you need to learn how to do yourself. They also break down why Joe Jackson energy isn't just for parenting, it's for every area of life where you're trying to build something real. From book covers to corporate stages to marriage, this episode will challenge you to stop letting your feelings run your life and start letting the data lead. If you've ever been rejected, corrected, or redirected and didn't know what to do next, this conversation is for you. Because your feelings will tell you to quit. The data will tell you to adjust. And the difference between the two is the difference between staying stuck and leveling up. Timestamps: 🔒 This Is What Patreon Members Get... Unscripted conversations. Behind the scenes moments. Live Q&As. ET's speech streams. This is the version of S2S where nothing gets cut. If you want in: 👉 Join the S2S Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/S2SPodcast120 🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode: 👉 https://www.youtube.com/@S2SPodcastChannel?sub_confirmation=1 📲 Follow us on Instagram: @s2spodcast 🎙️ Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/secret-to-success/id123456789 🎤 Next Level Speakers Conference: June 5-7, Atlanta, Georgia. If you know you're supposed to be speaking, training, or elevating your personal brand, this is where you need to be. ET, CJ, Karl, Inky Johnson, Jeremy Anderson and more. Tickets on sale now: https://nextlevelspeakersconference.com About the Secret to Success Podcast The Secret to Success (S2S) Podcast is hosted by Eric Thomas (ET, The Hip Hop Preacher), Karl Phillips, CJ Quinney, and Jemal King. For over a decade, S2S has been one of the most authentic voices in personal development — not because of polished scripts, but because of real stories, real conversations, and real results. Every episode pulls back the curtain on what it actually takes to build wealth, sustain relationships, grow businesses, and become who you were created to be. No hype. No filters. Just four men who've lived it, telling the truth about how they got there. Secret to Success is hosted by Eric Thomas, Karl Phillips, CJ Quinney, and Jemal King.

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0:00.0

Which one hurt more?

0:22.9

That or Thor? Because Thor tore you up. And he face was like, hey, I ain't never seen this. Look at your face. Yeah, Ma. Yeah. Is this really you? That's me, bro. When I tell you, Ma, I was so hurt because she said there's no way you're going to represent it. My man, I'm ready, though. Hey, bro, you're ready You got him

0:23.8

Who came up with that?

0:25.1

Was that CJ I did?

0:26.3

No, I don't know who did

0:27.4

But I'm saying

0:28.2

Hey, hey

0:29.2

Y'all look at

0:30.1

Detroit would have showed up there

0:32.1

Oh, hold on the next seat

0:32.1

Yeah How dare you tell me that's not going to... Secret of Success Success Podcast

1:11.0

You're Ready to Quit and don't get started.

1:19.8

If you're looking for this easy path, don't get started.

1:22.3

If you think they're not going to close the door on you and say no, a million times, don't get started.

1:29.1

But every time they close the door, I just say no a million times don't get started but every time they close the door I just get excited why?

1:31.0

Because I am not a no

1:32.8

I won yes away.

1:36.4

You want to go to the next level?

1:37.6

You got to come here next year.

1:38.6

People are going to look at you and see you hitting

1:40.6

all these numbers and see you travel

1:42.4

the world and your wildest dreams come true and they're going gonna say, oh my, I want that, but you gotta tell them, don't want the success I'm having, what the pain I went through, what the discipline I have. Energy that I've never experienced at any other conference, I can't put into words what it is that you're missing. When you have an individual that's attached to purpose and mission,

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