Shawn Johnson, KISS THE FIRE: 7 Ways to Get Back Up When You Want to Give Up
Totally Booked with Zibby
Zibby Owens
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🗓️ 31 October 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
Pastor Shawn Johnson joins Zibby to discuss his powerful new book, KISS THE FIRE: 7 Ways to get Back Up When You Want to Give Up. Shawn opens up about his diagnosis with an incurable brain disease, his lifelong struggles with anxiety and depression, and how faith and vulnerability helped him find purpose in pain. He and Zibby also discuss how vulnerability creates connection, why sharing our struggles can be freeing, and how even in life’s darkest moments, hope and purpose can emerge.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Zibi Owens, and you're listening to Totally Booked with Zibby. Formerly, moms don't have time to read books. In my daily show, I interview today's latest, best-selling, buzziest, or underrated authors and story creators, whose work I think is worth your time. As a bookstore owner, publisher, author, and obviously podcaster, I get a comprehensive |
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| 0:40.9 | Zibby Owens. Sean Johnson is the author of Kiss the Fire and Attacking Anxiety. Sean serves as lead |
| 0:51.0 | pastor of Red Rock's Church, a community he and a small group started in 2005 in Denver, Colorado. |
| 0:57.8 | Red Rock's Church is a single church with multiple locations. |
| 1:01.5 | Sean is passionate about seeing people transformed by the Word of God and making heaven more crowded. |
| 1:06.9 | He and his wife, Jill, have three active sons, Ethan, Austin, and Ashton. So when they're not at church, they're usually watching or playing sports. Welcome, Sean. Thank you so much for coming on Totally Booked to talk about your book, Kiss the Fire, seven ways to get back up when you want to give up. Congratulations. Oh, thank you so much. Thanks for having me on your podcast. You're welcome. |
| 1:32.4 | This is one of those examples of when the right book comes into your life at the right time. I recently lost my stepfather and I was in those first two weeks and barely opening mail and all this stuff. |
| 1:39.7 | And this is the only book and it came in. |
| 1:41.3 | And I was like, oh, I could use a book like this. |
| 1:43.7 | And I read the whole thing. I couldn't even focus before this book. And I read every word. And I was like, I'm just have to talk to him now. So thank you for going on. Thank you so much. And I'm so sorry for your loss. Oh, thank you very much. Tell listeners about your book. I know this is your second book and you write about the first book in here as well, but take us to now, maybe take us through the first book, how we got here to this one and why we're even talking. |
| 2:10.7 | That's a lot. And then we will be done. No, I'm kidding. Sure. So you want me to talk, the, the, you want me to talk about the first book first? |
| 2:18.4 | Sure. Well, why don't we do this? Tell us about this book and what inspired you to write it. |
| 2:22.8 | Yes, for sure. Okay. So about three years ago, uh, I was at a doctor's appointment with my wife. |
| 2:29.4 | And, um, I thought I had a pinch nerve in my left arm and they had been doing some scans around my head |
| 2:37.3 | and neck to see what was going on. And just to our utter surprise, we were told you don't have a |
| 2:43.8 | pinch nerve, you have a incurable brain disease. And, you know, obviously incredibly shocked |
| 2:50.0 | and not, I don't think anyone ever thinks like, |
| 2:54.3 | that's going to be my story. |
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