Shapeshifting
Wonder Cabinet
Wonder Cabinet Productions
4.8 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 25 November 2023
⏱️ 53 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
There are old folktales and legends of people who can become animals. Animals who can become people. And there’s a lesson for our own time in those shapeshifting stories — a recognition that the membrane between what's human and more-than-human is razor thin.
Human identity cannot be separated from our nonhuman kin. From forest ecology to the human microbiome, emerging research suggests that being human is a complicated journey made possible only by the good graces of our many companions. In partnership with the Center for Humans and Nature and with support from the Kalliopeia Foundation, To The Best Of Our Knowledge is exploring this theme of "kinship" in a special radio series.
To learn more about the Kinship series, head to ttbook.org/kinship.
Original Air Date: November 20, 2021
Interviews In This Hour:
Reclaiming the fierce women who are shapeshifters — How a man turned into a raven — Shapeshifters, shamans and the 'New Animism' — Horror author Stephen Graham Jones on what our monsters say about us
Guests:
Sharon Blackie, David Abram, Chris Gosden, Stephen Graham Jones
Never want to miss an episode? Subscribe to the podcast.
Want to hear more from us, including extended interviews and favorites from the archive? Subscribe to our newsletter.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | 40,000 years ago, when the world was still covered in ice, an unknown artist carved a piece of mammoth tusk into the earliest known human sculpture, a figure of a man with the head of a lion. |
| 0:25.4 | The first shapeshifter, but not the last. |
| 0:29.3 | I'm Anne Strange Champs, and this week, onto the best of our knowledge, |
| 0:34.3 | there have been shapeshifting myths and legends on every continent and in every generation. |
| 0:38.8 | What deep longings and hidden fears lie behind them? |
| 0:45.3 | Welcome to episode four of our series on kinship with the more than human world. |
| 0:56.1 | Wisconsin Public Radio I'm Anne Strange Champs, and this is to the best of our knowledge. |
| 1:21.0 | I'm Anne Strange Champs, and this is old as time of people who can become animals. |
| 1:23.3 | Animals who can become people. |
| 1:28.6 | Shapeshifters, border crossers, skinwalkers. |
| 1:34.0 | And there is a lesson for our time in those stories, if we listen. |
| 1:48.0 | I think my favorite stories of all, if I had a totem story, would probably be the Selkees story. |
| 1:54.7 | Sharon Blackie is a writer, psychologist, and mythologist. |
| 2:12.6 | A Selke is a seal who in certain circumstances usually once a month under the light of the full moon is capable of shedding her seal skin and transforming into a human woman. |
| 2:25.0 | So they come to a beautiful beach under the full moon, they slip off their skins, they dance on the beach. |
| 2:32.8 | But the story goes that there is a fisherman, a very lonely fisherman hiding behind a rock watching this going on. |
| 2:40.0 | He steals the skin of one of the silkies. She's forced to stay with him for seven years. |
| 2:44.0 | She bears his children. |
| 2:46.0 | At the end of seven years, she's desiccated. |
| 2:48.0 | She's not meant to be on land. She asks him for her skin back. |
| 2:57.1 | He will not give it to her. And in most of the stories, it is her daughter who finds the |
| 3:03.6 | skin and gives it to the mother. And then the mother goes down to the beach, puts it on, |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Wonder Cabinet Productions, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Wonder Cabinet Productions and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

