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And welcome back, George Nore with you.

John Contruba with us, award-winning author, creative writing instructor at Ohio University.

He has investigated more than 100 haunted locations around the world, a frequent speaker about the paranormal at conferences, libraries, and universities as well. His books include The Bottle Conjurer, Books 1 and 2, ShapeShifters, a History, and Ghost Hunters. John, welcome back. How have you been?

Hey, George. Good to hear from you. Yeah, I'm doing good. How about you?

Oh, good. Looking forward to this. How did you get involved in investigating shape-shifters?

Well, you know, I kind of grew out of all my work with ghost hunting. My first couple of books are about ghosts primarily.

And I'd give a lot of public talks at libraries and universities

and on shows like yours. In fact, they've been on your shows many times talking about ghosts.

Yeah. And what I noticed was that a lot of people in the audience would start asking me about

other events that they were having or incidents, and they never sounded like ghost experiences.

They sounded more like shapeshifters.

So I started just looking into the research on that

and basically discovered that the shapeshifter character

or shapeshifter types are ubiquitous.

I mean, they appear in cultures all around the world and have from ancient times to today.

And so, you know, people talk about having experiences.

There's been newspaper reports about experiences with shape shifters and also.

It just kind of all started, like I said, out of the ghost hunting experience.

But it was an interesting side avenue, and it was an interesting thing to write about for sure.

What exactly, John, is a shapeshifter?

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