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The Big Picture

‘Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings’ and the 10 Movies to See Before It

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.25.9K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2021

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Summary

This weekend sees the release of a hugely important movie for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, ‘Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.’ Sean breaks down the character’s place in Marvel mythology, the films that influenced the new movie, and whether it all worked with The Ringer’s Daniel Chin (1:00). Then, Sean is joined by the film’s screenwriter, Dave Callaham, to talk about writing blockbusters in the 21st century, the challenges and rewards of the work, and how 'Shang Chi' came together (46:00). Hosts: Sean Fennessey Guests: Daniel Chin and Dave Callaham Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:06.9

I'm Sean Fennese and this is the big picture. A conversation show about Shang-Chi, the future of the MCU,

1:12.3

and a brief history of Asian cinema and its complicated relationship to Western movies.

1:16.6

This weekend sees the release of a hugely important movie for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

1:20.8

Shang-Chi and the legend of the 10 Rings. Shang-Chi is the first MCU movie to feature an Asian lead,

1:26.2

played in the film by Simo Liu. It's also directed by Destin Daniel Cretan,

1:30.3

a guest on this show in 2019, and co-written with Cretan by one of our guests later in this episode,

1:35.1

the screenwriter Dave Callaham, who has writing credits on films in the MCU, the DCEU,

1:40.0

Godzilla, and Mortal Kombat franchises.

1:42.4

I talked to Dave about writing blockbusters in the 21st century, the challenges and rewards of the work,

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