Thank you. The prime goal of government is to

the majority of the opulent from the majority.

And in order to do that, you've got to fragment the majority so they really can't get

together and do very much.

And you have to concentrate power in on the wealth of a little guy if you don't have your finger?

All of the tricker.

What's the use of a guy

if you don't of your finger.

Oh, the trigger.

Good afternoon, I'm Michael malice.

And let that be your welcome for the next half hour.

We just spent 40 minutes trying to get my guest on the phone.

We finally have him, Shane O''Mara who is the professor of experimental

brain research at Trinity College in Dublin across the pond and author of

why torture doesn't work and I think the fact that we spent 40 minutes trying to connect

this proves that torture does work.

So let's go through what we just have to try. We tried getting you on a BMX call.

We couldn't get your mic to work. We tried every mic setting.

We went into your computer to double check. We tried every mic setting. It didn't work.

We have you on the phone with our phone. We couldn't get the volumes to level up.

So I'm going to speak in my best transatlantic accent, newscaster tone, because my understanding is my volume is a little low on your phone,

so I want to make sure you can hear me clearly and coherently.

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