Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop, I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep, on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran,

trying to buy back your publishing from the Michael Jackson estate,

or else a scrappy upstart,

trying to sell your publishing to the Bruno Mars estate,

this is your show,

because ultimately it is what every songwriter seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

Hey guys, it's the second Friday of May 2020, and I thank you for joining us.

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