Hey everyone, hi, hello, it is me Allison Rosen, welcome to another episode of Allison Rosen, is your new best friend.

I am sitting here in dining room studios with someone that listeners have been wanting me to have on the show for a long time and I'm very excited to meet in person for the first time Shane Moss, hello and welcome.

Oh, thanks for having me.

Host of here we are a podcast and currently on a tour that where the dates are multiplying so he might be on tour forever.

They're just going to keep dividing and not dividing. I was going to wear with that and I lost it. But anyway, it's a long tour and it's called a good trip and it's about your experiences like an Alex.

Yeah, and some of the information about psychedelics that I've learned along the way.

Well, so I was doing some research on you earlier. I would like to get into your whole story, but what I read is that you dealt with anxiety, right?

Oh, early on in comedy, I mean, I always had like a little bit of some self-esteem and problems and whatnot. I mean, that's most people probably.

And so one thing about that is if you found it on like Wikipedia or whatever, like if someone wrote my Wikipedia page for me and I think they went through every newspaper article I could find in newspaper articles, try to like really play up everything.

And like, he triumphed over anxiety. After a hard scrabble Midwestern existence, overcame stage fright.

Yeah, I mean, I had, I probably had more stage fright than your average person. I remember the first two months I was on stage. I could only like read out of a notebook and like look at a note, like I couldn't look at the audience or anything like that. But really it wasn't.

I mean, looking back, it was like two months of that and then I was doing really well. And I mean, I always, throughout my career, I think most comedians have to struggle to get, or not struck, but most comedians just get more and more comfortable on stage as they do it.

And definitely at first, I was very much like a one-linery kind of absurdist person. And I've tried to push myself to do other things. I could, at the first time, I remember when I started to get into storytelling more. That was, that was a lot harder and made me feel anxious. And then, and then just things like I have a bit now where I sing a little bit on stage.

And, and that's something I never pictured myself doing. I absolutely hate singing and I'm very insecure about my voice. So I, I try to, I try to get out of my comfort zone as much as possible and push. I, I like to feel a little uncomfortable about the things that I'm doing. I think then you're probably heading in the right direction. That's not always the case. Sometimes you should feel uncomfortable because the thing that you're saying is a really bad idea.

But I feel like with everything in life, there's a cliche for both sides of it. And that's like that book, The Gift of Fear, do you know that book?

No. I have it, I haven't read it. Someone sent it to me, but I know about it. And it's the idea that we've become cut off from our intuition. And that if you're getting the sense that the person around you is an unsafe person, now I'm, now I'm just making up what I think it's about. I think it's like this.

Probably you're telling yourself, oh, I shouldn't be judgmental. I should just, oh, you know, it's, that's me. But the truth is maybe you're actually picking up on something legitimate.

And I think that applies to like women who are always dating the wrong kind of guy or something like that, you know, like listen to your intuition.

But then on the other hand, and I wish I could remember what, what show I just heard this on. There was some TV show, but someone said, like, everything you want is on the other side of fear.

I hope it wasn't Tony Robbins. I don't know where I heard that, but something like that, everything you want is on the other side of fear. And I was like, oh, that's so interesting because it's so tempting to not push yourself.

It's so tempting to just get in a comfortable spot and stay there.

I see a lot of comics start out. They are, you know, nervous or whatever. And then they got their first five minutes together. And then they stick with that five minutes that makes them comfortable for the next five years.

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