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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

The US intelligence community has managed to penetrate and suck up a ton of communications.

And what our sources were saying to us is, well, there's nothing basically in the tapes that we have of Russians saying,

hey, great job with the pipeline or wow, can you believe it, but with the pipeline or, oh crap,

what's going to happen now that we blow up the pipeline?

I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast January 5, 2023.

It was a few months ago that something went boom under the sea and the Nord Stream 2 pipelines were severely damaged.

Everyone assumed the perpetrator was the Russian Federation because you know,

the Russian Federation, war in Ukraine, really bad guys, and it was their pipeline and the Germans relied on that pipeline for natural gas.

And you know, Vladimir Putin could deprive them of natural gas.

But months have gone by and evidence that Russia was behind the Nord Stream attacks has not surfaced.

This was the subject of a lengthy article in the Washington Post, the lead author of which was Shane Harris.

Shane, of course, is well known to rational security and chatter listeners.

A great friend of LawFair, he joined me in the virtual jungle studio to discuss the article.

What do we know about who is behind the Nord Stream attacks?

What do we know about whether it was really the Russians?

Could it have been the Ukrainians? Could it have been us?

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