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Spiritual border crossing and social creativity.

These were some of the echoes in a conversation between Shane Claiborne and Omar Safegobash.

Though they are two humans with very different stories,

they've both lived with some discomfort within the religious group to which they belong

and have chosen and continued to love.

Omar is a diplomat of the United Arab Emirates and author of Letters to a Young Muslim.

One of his responses to the politicization of Islam in the early century

has been to bring a new art gallery culture, places for thought and beauty to do buy.

Shane Claiborne is a singular figure in evangelical Christianity

as a co-founder of the simple way, an intentional neighborhood-based community in North Philadelphia.

One of the things he's doing now is to adapt the biblical commandment to turn swords

into plough shares for modern times.

You know, I just spent 40 days traveling around the country melting guns into tools,

but there's something that happens at the forage that goes beyond words.

It moves the heart to see folks from different face, from different backgrounds that come

and take the same hammer and beat a piece of metal that was designed to kill

into a piece of metal that is designed to cultivate life.

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