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Texas Monthly True Crime: The Problem With Erik

Shane and Sally | 4. The Devil and the Lost Boy

Texas Monthly True Crime: The Problem With Erik

Texas Monthly

True Crime

4.7 • 6.7K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we take a closer look at two of the investigators’ suspects: Steve Schafer and John Gilbreath. Witnesses told authorities that Schafer was the leader of a local Satanic group whose members included Shane and Sally, though Schafer says he was never part of the group. Gilbreath is the man who, in 2017, was found to have suspicious evidence in his home, including a lock of hair, a fingernail, and notes about Shane and Sally's murders. While authorities have since found that the DNA from this evidence doesn’t match Shane or Sally, Sheriff Nick Hanna says Gilbreath's behavior after the murders—repeatedly claiming to know details about the killings—still arouses suspicion.


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0:00.0

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0:27.0

A note to our listeners that this episode includes discussion of suicide.

0:35.0

When sheriff's investigators heard that Sally McNellie's driver's license had been found in a hallway at the St. Angelo Police Department, you can imagine they were shocked.

0:47.0

It was March of 1989, eight months after Sally disappeared, and four months after her remains were found.

0:55.0

All that time, her purse had been missing.

0:58.5

So how did her license end up in that hallway?

1:01.6

The sheriff's office was the one investigating Shane and Sally's murder. in that

1:05.0

the sheriff's office was the one investigating Shane and Sally's murders. So what was this evidence doing at the city police department?

1:10.0

Here's Randy Swick, the officer who remembers finding her license.

1:14.0

Back hallway, which basically ran the full length of the building.

1:22.0

This hallway led into an out of office outside of communications.

1:26.0

This is where everybody carried their evidence and put it up.

1:30.0

I was walking into communications and I started driver's license lane in the hallway and I picked it up and it was sailing magnalities.

1:40.0

You might remember that Larry Counts was convinced that Randy had something to do with the murders.

1:46.0

For the record, Randy says Larry is completely wrong about him,

1:50.0

and you will hear more about that later.

1:52.0

Sally's license was, potentially, and you will hear more about that later.

1:53.0

Sally's license was, potentially, a huge break in the case.

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