Hey guys and welcome to episode 122 of the O city stories

com podcast.

Now in this episode I got on Shala nicely.

Now Shala's been on the show a few times,

she's been a fan favorite, so hopefully you enjoy this one. So

Charlotte came on to talk with me about her new book is Fred in the refrigerator,

taming OCD and reclaiming my life. It's a book that's written like a fiction,

but it's actually her life story. It's an entertaining read, it's educational.

It shows some of the pitfalls people find when trying to get treatment in OCD.

For example, her spending years trying to find the right therapist or clinician to help her.

So there's lots of learnings in that sense if you're in that stage.

But yeah I get on to ask her various things about her book. We go into it about the number

one rule her OCD had for her, which was she couldn't tell anyone if she did, the bad things

would come true. We talked about a quote that Jonathan

Grayson said in his gold support group that Shala attended eight years ago at

the ISDF conference in Washington, which is about living

in a world of uncertainty and being happy anyway.

That was the goal of ERP.

So I got Charlotte to unpack that.

We talked about any roadblocks that she had in becoming a therapist and how did she overcome them.

So if that will help any qualifying trainees at the minute.

We also talked about her new role. She talks about the end of the book, the new rule she had for

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