I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of

the most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time, taking time to be more fully present.

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So I'm the kind of person who cannot throw away a book. I need some kind of rehab treatment.

Because when you can't throw away a book, you end up with all these books that you really

didn't want. So nobody give me a book today. Because I tell you, if you give me a book,

I cannot throw it away. So I had this book. It ended up on my desk. I'm not even sure how

it ended up on my desk. It was called Writing My Rungs. And it was on the desk. I moved

it from one end of the desk to the other desk. I moved it and then I moved it and I say,

okay, I want to read that book. And then I'm like, okay, I'm not going to read that book today.

I'm going to read it when I go on vacation. I'm going to read the book. So I kept moving it around

and moving it around. I was a little intimidated by the cover. Because on the cover was this big black man.

He was big. And he had a lot of tattoos. He was all tied it up. And on the cover, it said that

he'd been in jail for murder. So I thought, well, he's a murderer. He's a tattooed up. He's

big. He's scary. I don't know if I want to read that story. Anyway, I kept moving the book from

place to place. And finally, when I was ready to move from Chicago, I was like, am I going to pack

up the book? Am I going to read the book? I think I'm going to read the book. So I started to read the

book. Read the book, open the book with a lot of judgments about what this man would be and what

this story would be. And I quickly changed my mind and my heart when I spoke to him on Super

Soul Sunday. Because I was like 60 pages in and said to the producers, I got to get this guy for

Super Soul Sunday. Not only am I reading the book, I now want to talk to him. When I spoke to him

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