From the heart of Cascadia and the edge of the world, you from that presence, Nitreft,

Jim Perry, from the hinterlands concealed by fog at the intersection of society and

strange. This is an interview series about the unknown and our relationship to it.

Produced by the documentary podcast series you from that, here we commune and wander

through the big wonder, with guests who are thinkers, explorers,

experiencers of the phenomena that is on the edge of it all. This is Nitreft and I'm Jim Perry.

Tonight guest Heidi Hollis brings awareness to the nefarious shadow people in Hatman and

discusses how she helps people cope with these experiences. We'll jump right into that conversation

in just a minute, but I did want to let you know that you can join the conversation tonight.

You can email me Jim at ufmet.com and you know use hashtag Nitreft on Twitter or social media.

I've been really getting so many emails from everyone and I think it's that season where we're

all kind of like hunkering down a little bit. I know we're spending much more times with

much more times with podcasts. I'm seeing that in numbers for sure, so that's awesome.

Everyone that is listening to this is probably traveling please, you know, traveling back and forth

to home, to family, to wherever. Just be careful out there and thank you for joining

us. Thank you for bringing us along on this trip. Heidi Hollis is a unique voice in this

paranormal challenge world of ours. She shares that she is the first author to write about the topic

of shadow people and the Hatman, giving them both their descriptive names to describe these

dark menaces. Now interrupting lives around the globe. Heidi is the first to have taken them on

in her book, The Secret War, which details her personal story and dealing with shadow people

and how positive and negative alien beings are connected to them. Oh man, this is going to get so

so exciting and I can't wait to talk about all of that Heidi. Welcome so much to Nitreft.

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