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crap. In July of 2017, police unveiled the composite sketch of Bridge Guy, the Delphi double homicide suspect.

And then quite a bit later, we get several months later, we get the new direction press

conference, as it's often referred to as where we get a new composite sketch, we get a little bit more

of the audio that is released to the public. When this news broke, I know that it was pretty

much a game changer for everyone that was covering the case. What was it to you guys at the time?

Because there was a lot of feelings and mixed emotions about that press conference.

Some of the things that Doug Carter said about the shack and about maybe the killer is sitting here in this room today.

He's addressing the killer directly.

Now directly to the killer, you never thought that we would change directions in our investigation, but we have.

We know that you want to know what we know.

And then also the behind the scenes with the meeting with the families, just 15 minutes prior to this press conference,

where they're going to get new information dropped onto their heads and shoulders

as well and they're a bit blindsided. How did what was your reaction at the time? Go back in time

and tell us what was your reaction, your feelings, and your observations about the new direction.

So the new direction conference happened I think think, prior to Kevin and I even

knowing each other, but I do remember it because again, like me and my mom were following this

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