We live in a world that is increasingly polarized left and right north and south

red and blue black and white if I'm right you must be wrong but the reality is we live

in shades of gray many many shades of uncomfortable gray and we have a

responsibility to manage that gray.

That's why I wanted to talk to Jenna Arnold,

the author of raising our hands.

She's a pot stirr and has big opinions about our individual responsibility

to contribute to the collective good.

This is a bit of optimism.

What I wanted to talk to you about was effective disruption. I think it's a misunderstood concept what it takes to affect change and you more than a lot of people know what it takes to affect change.

What bothers me so much about this term disruption is it feels like it's

a jostling of peace and there's both negative peace and positive peace and peace in some people's interpretation

is status quo and other people's its complacency and apathy and those kinds of things need to get

jostled and they need to get disrupted but the term disruption has always

bothered me I like to think of myself more as a pot stir this is what you're so good at.

It's the thing that I'm, of all the things that I'm a fan of about you,

my favorite thing is your ability to hold a mirror up.

I guess as you call it, stir the pot.

And so with that mirror held up and that's what's happening to us now

which is we're all looking in this mirror some willingly some begrudgingly and

we're seeing things that are making us uncomfortable about ourselves,

realizations, and what are we supposed to do?

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