We got to do shows over here so we can't keep talking.

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Conservatives are very good at talking about truth.

We own the lives with facts and logic. We're generally very good at that.

Conservatives are pretty good at talking about goodness.

The moral majority, the religious right, this is good, this is bad.

Conservatives are very, very bad at talking about that third transcendental beauty.

Here to help us speak about it a little more accurately and persuasively is Jonathan Pajot,

who is an artist and iconographer, a man who eludes titles.

Jonathan, thank you so much for coming on.

Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

Conservatives love to talk about true and false, boom, own, statistic, fact, debunked.

Conservatives used to at least,

and to some degree still do, like to talk about morality and ethics.

You should do this and you shouldn't do that.

In my lifetime, conservatives have just really ignored that third transcendental beauty.

Is it because beauty doesn't matter or is it because conservatives are just missing something?

I think they're not only missing something, but I think they're also missing the key to their project.

Because beauty is that which draws you into truth and goodness.

It is the possibility of the world being transparent to something transcendent.

But we see that it's beauty that draws us in.

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