Hello, and welcome to Overthink.

The podcast where two philosophy professors think through important issues in our daily lives.

I'm Ellie Anderson.

And I'm David Peña Guzman.

We want to let you know that today's episode will involve discussions of sexual violation, bodily harm, and murder.

So this might be one to skip or listen to carefully if you are sensitive to these issues.

Yeah, in particular, we're going to talk about some quite rough stuff.

So this will definitely be the most intense content-wise of our episodes.

And so, yeah, proceed with care and caution for yourself. All right, David, let's get into it. I feel like since the Me Too movement,

there has been an increasing attention paid to the complexities of sexual violation and the fact that

consent, especially when conceived of as a clear yes or no,

is not enough. And when I say I feel like there's been increasing attention, I can also back

that up with the fact that there have been multiple books that have come out on this topic recently,

tons of op-eds. And in particular, a lot of these publications have focused on cases of what we might call gray

rape or otherwise, like, unclear situations that don't necessarily map onto this legal,

oh, that's obviously a rape versus, no, that was consensual sex. We've also become aware

that people aren't always totally sure what they want and when they want it.

Yeah, no, you're right about this. And this attention to nuance has understandably freaked a lot of people out.

Because how do we know if we're being ethical sexual partners to one another when we're dealing with these gray areas?

You know, what if you think someone

wants something, but then it turns out afterward that they didn't ask for it and maybe didn't

feel super comfortable proceeding in that direction? And what about cases also where someone is

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