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As someone who thinks about the intersection of gender, sex, and technology, where do you think we are headed?

To hell.

There are no girls on the internet as a production of IHeart Radio and Unbossed Creative.

I'm Bridget Todd, and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

People who engage in sex work face hostility online.

But they're also the ones who remain at the forefront of understanding technology, the internet, and the role that it plays in all of our lives.

From increased online surveillance and legislation like Sesta Fosta,

it's people who engage in sex work who are often sounding

the alarm about how online harms might start by targeting one community like sex workers,

but will later manifest for all of us.

So, in conversations about the future of the internet and technology, it's critical that all

marginalized voices, including sex workers, are included.

My name is Olivia Snow. I am a dominatrix and a research fellow at UCLA's Center for Critical Internet Inquiry.

Olivia studies sex work, technology, and policy, and writes about it on the Internet.

She's been docks and harassed online online for it too. But that hasn't stopped

her from centering sex workers in conversations about the internet and technology.

So something that I love about your work is that you really like lean into and interrogate

this intersection of sex work and technology in the internet. What does that been like?

Like why do you think it is so important for people who care about the internet and technology to understand how sex workers show up on the internet, how sex workers use technology?

And how has that been sort of prescient about where we're headed next?

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