So, Nadia Bulls Webber, I guess today, grew up in Colorado Springs in the late 70s and

80s, which is an interesting time to be there.

Brought up in a pretty devoutly religious household, she rebelled against nearly any version

of other people's proclamations and rules in her late teens and found herself on her own

navigating various worlds, drinking, doing drugs, and finding her way into various jobs,

eventually doing stand-up comedy in her 20s and mid-years.

All the while, though, she kind of lived with this perpetual deep sense of loneliness,

always in search of community and a philosophy of living that felt right to her, that was

inclusive, that was steeped in deep wisdom, but welcomed everybody in.

Years later, sitting down with her now with a body covered in tattoos, and a deeper sense

of both openness and conviction, her search actually ended her back in the Lutheran

faith, where she became ordained, then founded and served as the lead pastor at the Lutheran

congregation in Denver, House for All Seniors and Saints.

And her vision there was to create a place where anyone, including those who'd always

felt like outsiders, could come and find a sense of belonging and grace, she had a very

unfiltered style, provocative, challenging, nontraditional, and a willingness to tell

it like it is that really raised eyebrows, and that was blended with a deep ferocity

of commitment and also an even deeper knowledge and progressive interpretation of scripture,

and she drew a huge community of people who'd previously felt pretty much pushed away

or left behind by faith.

In 2013, Nadiya Pind, a really raw, honest memoir called Pastrix, followed by a critically

claimed New York Times bestseller, Accidental Saints in 2015, and just last year, she actually

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