There's always something there.

Even when you look around you and it all seems to have fallen apart, to fall in a way,

there's always something there.

There's a floor, there's a ceiling, there's a sky, there's a star, there's always something

there.

For me, many times, that something is serial.

Hello and welcome to the Empty Bowl, a meditative podcast about serial.

My name is Justin McRoy and I'm a serial enthusiast.

And my name is Dan Gubair and I am your closest serial confidant.

You can trust me with your breakfast secrets, I won't tell.

He's delightful, he's discrete, he's Dan Gubair.

That is the chant they do for him, soccer matches.

This is a serial show.

It's a meditative podcast about serial.

That means that for the next 30 minutes or so, you are given the invitation to just relax

and take it easy and let your brain just think about serial.

If you find that you should need that, then that is here for you and we are so happy to

be there for you in that regard.

We're going to have some news about serial.

We're going to have some reviews and then we'll just cut loose a little bit.

Who knows after that?

Dan, this first story just absolutely massive.

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