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BetterHelp for sponsoring our podcast. Welcome back to another episode of the surviving

narcissism podcast with your host, Dr. Les Carter. I'm Michaela, the program

director, and in today's episode, Dr. Carter is joined by Dr. Henry Cloud to discuss his approach

to setting boundaries.

Hey, Team Healthy, you know that I like to bring in special guests from time to time so that we can talk about all sorts of topics related to what we do here on this channel.

And okay, I have kind of the quintessential. This is a guest who needs no introduction.

With me today is Dr. Henry Cloud. And Henry, first of all, thanks so much for taking time out of your schedule, uh, to be, I understand you're on the road, uh, doing a conference. And, uh, so you're kind of in, him in between time right now. So, but thanks for being with us here today. Well, it's good to be with you last. It's been a while since we got to hang out and I was looking

forward to it. Well, and just so our audience knows, we have connections with Frank Minnorth and

Paul Meyer from way back when like 40 plus years ago. You had spent some time in Dallas, and I was in

Dallas and then you wound up going out to the L.A. Newport Beach

and L.A. area. And so we didn't have nearly as much time as I would have liked, but we've known

each other, been acquainted with each other for a number of years. And Henry, I've just been

following your career, and you've done a whole lot of really good things. i'm hoping that our audience understands that you and your pal john townsinger are kind of the ones that put that word boundaries into the psychological nomenclature when did you actually write that book, Boundaries?

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