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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Seth Moulton & Ritchie Torres: What Dems Can (Must) Learn From 2024

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.8 • 4.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2024

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

John is joined by two up-and-coming Democratic congressmen—Seth Moulton, of the North Shore of Massachusetts, and Ritchie Torres, of the Bronx—to discuss what went wrong for Democrats in 2024. Moulton and Torres have little in common besides their relative youth; Moulton, 46, is white, straight, and holds multiple degrees from Harvard, while Torres, 36, is Afro Latino, openly gay, and never graduated from college. But their diagnoses of what ails their party (and, in particular, what allowed Donald Trump to make dramatic inroads with non-white working class voters) and their prescriptions for how to cure it are in sync: preach less and listen more; stop pandering to the left, especially on cultural issues; embrace pragmatism, competency, and open debate over purity tests, identity politics, and Ivory Tower condescension. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and Namaste everyone and welcome to Impolitic with John Hylman, A. Puck and Odyssey Joint

0:11.1

featuring fresh and topical and candid conversations with the people who roam the quarters of power

0:15.5

and influence in America from Washington to Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and beyond,

0:20.6

shaping the warp and wharf of Hollywood, and beyond, shaping the

0:21.1

warp and wharf of our politics and culture, even as Donald Trump ramped up his all-gas,

0:26.8

no-break's appointment spree this week, announcing his selections to fill some of the most

0:31.1

powerful and sensitive posts in his incoming administration, Pete Hegesith as Secretary of Defense,

0:37.3

Tulsi Gabbard, as Director of National

0:39.5

Intelligence. Matt Gates, as Attorney General. And let us not forget, RFK Jr. as Secretary of,

0:46.7

can you believe it? Health and Human Services. It's a coterie of lieutenants, loyalists, and lackeys

0:52.9

described by some as firebrands,

0:56.0

by others as frightening, and by still others as simply farcical.

1:00.7

As all of that was going on, the Democratic Party continued to do what it always does

1:04.7

after having its clock cleaned at the polls. No, not dive headfirst into an oversized white oak

1:10.4

barrel of mictor's rye. That's my jam.

1:13.6

What Democrats do, pretty much without fail, is form a circular firing squad,

1:18.3

replacing Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's five stages of grief, denial, anger, bargaining, depression,

1:23.9

and acceptance with finger-pointing, second-guessing, blame casting, backstabbing,

1:29.0

and shit-talking. But among a cadre of younger blue team up-and-comers, a more sober,

1:34.1

constructive, and productive process is kicking into gear, in which the question of what went

1:37.9

wrong for the party in 2024 is being chewed over less for the purpose of apportioning blame

1:42.9

than laying the foundation

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