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In the 7 years since you hosted the White House correspondent, Stunner, you got a late night

show and Donald Trump moved into the White House.

Yeah, a lot happened. Are you surprised how much you're still in his head?

I was delighted to see that he was still thinking about it. I'm not that surprised because

it strikes me as moving on from grudges is not a thing that he does with any regularity.

So I don't think I'm alone in being somebody that's still sticking in his crawl. Why were

you delighted because you're still sticking in his crawl?

Yeah, I mean, I just still think, when I look back at that night, the reason I don't

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