Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. I, in these times where what we need is chicken soup or whatever your vegan equivalent of that or your cultural equivalent to that is I thought I would bring my very own chicken soup for the soul Seth Godin everybody's

favorite moment guest and one of my dearest friends back to give us some comfort and challenge us and do all the things

that Seth does. Seth Golden, thanks for being here on my very first time recording a podcast far away by myself like we're not in the same room.

We are not in the same room, but I feel like we are in fact even when we're not talking I feel like we are.

No it's true we think of one another I mean this it is true it's a very lucky thing to

have friends that you can connect with in this time but I'm not going to assume that the

person listening has friends near them or is easily able to talk to people and Seth you're one of the most self-sufficient people I've ever

met.

That doesn't mean you don't want need, engage in real friendships, but it does mean that you've found a way to construct an idea

of yourself so that you can manage your own state and your own self.

Can you talk a little bit about the process of doing that,

of the kind of self-sufficiency that we can all develop for ourselves and use in this time.

Well, I think that you are exaggerating dramatically, but let me try to parse it slightly differently which is good

panic is a hobby and it's important to acknowledge that it is a hobby, hobby in the sense that it doesn't produce useful outcomes.

That it's something that we can choose to do or not do based on how we tell ourselves a story.

One of the things that I like to point out to people, when I'm trying to be the worst person

at a cocktail party,

is that there is a very significant chance

that a large asteroid is going to hit the planet.

And almost nobody is spending any time panicking about it even though it would be productive

to spend some time doing something about it, but it's not the thing that everyone is talking about. So I want to begin this conversation by saying

that we are in the middle of a worldwide tragedy, that people who don't deserve the illness that is going to afflict them are going to get

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