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Therapy for Black Girls

Session 442: Healing, Grief, & Community After Netflix’s 'The Perfect Neighbor'

Therapy for Black Girls

iHeartPodcasts and Joy Harden Bradford, Ph.D.

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.85.7K Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Content Warning: There are mentions of racial violence in this episode. If you have sensitivities around this subject, I urge you to take breaks as needed, or step away if it becomes too difficult.

In 2023, the murder of Ajike “AJ” Owens shook the country–another Black mother taken too soon in a moment of senseless and unnecessary violence. In the years since, AJ’s story as told on Netflix’s ‘The Perfect Neighbor’ has prompted a larger conversation around race, fear, Stand Your Ground laws, and the everyday realities and dangers Black families navigate in America and in their communities. But AJ was more than a victim of racial violence, she was a woman whose life was filled with love, ambition, and unapologetic hope for her children and her future.

Today, I’m pleased to be joined by two women who are integral to carrying AJ’s story forward with courage and purpose. Pamela Dias, AJ’s mother and co-founder of the Standing in the Gap Fund, has turned unfathomable grief into a mission to protect families who face race-based violence and its aftermath. Here with Pamela is her co-founder Takema Robinson, producer, and advocate for racial justice who helped bring AJ’s story to the masses.

In this conversation, we explore how their relationship formed, what it means to tell a story shaped by grief, and how storytelling, advocacy, and memory can become pathways to collective healing. We talk about community, justice, and the ongoing fight to ensure that AJ and so many others like her are not forgotten.

About the Podcast

The Therapy for Black Girls Podcast is a weekly conversation with Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, a licensed Psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia, about all things mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small decisions we can make to become the best possible versions of ourselves.

0:23.8

I'm your host, Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia.

0:30.0

For more information or to find a therapist in your area, visit our website at Therapy for Blackgirls.com. While I hope you love listening to

0:40.4

and learning from the podcast, it is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with a licensed

0:47.1

mental health professional. Hey, y'all.

0:56.6

Thanks so much for joining me for session 442 of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast.

1:01.5

We'll get right into our conversation after a word from our sponsors.

1:08.9

This is an I-Heart podcast.

1:12.7

Guarante guaranteed human.

1:23.7

Before we get started, just a brief content note that there are mentions of racial violence in today's episode.

1:28.1

If you have sensitivities around this subject, I urge you to take breaks as needed or step away if it becomes too difficult. In 2023, the murder of Agica A.J. Owens shook the country,

1:36.8

another black mother taken too soon in a moment of senseless and unnecessary violence.

1:42.3

In the years since, A.J.'s story, as told on Netflix's The Perfect Neighbor,

1:47.6

has prompted a larger conversation around race, fear, stand-your-ground laws, and the everyday realities

1:54.3

and dangers black families navigate in America and in their communities. But AJ was more than a

2:00.4

victim of racial violence. She was a woman

2:02.7

whose life was filled with love, ambition, and unapologetic hope for her children and her future.

2:09.0

Today, I'm pleased to be joined by two women who are integral to carrying A.J.'s story forward with

2:14.7

courage and purpose. Pamela Diaz, A.J.'s mother, and co-founder of the

2:20.1

Standing in the Gap Fund, has turned unfathomable grief into a mission to protect families who

2:25.6

face race-based violence and its aftermath. Here with Pamela is her co-founder, Sakema Robinson,

2:33.1

producer and advocate for racial justice who helped bring

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