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Hello, welcome to a special episode of the Flats and Shanks podcast after the success of what was it?

Last week, two weeks ago with Mark Evans on the state of English rugby,

was that a success?

Well, it was something different to what we normally do.

Wasn't it flat? So there was no joke.

There was no eating, you didn't eat through any of it, which...

No, so it must have been good and engaging.

Well, I'm glad we're starting five, a couple of minutes late on this one,

because I've just had two tins of sardines and sunflower oil.

Oh, your breath must be amazing.

Or full, mate.

But because it was a different podcast, we thought we'd try and get into Welsh rugby.

And what better person to invite on than someone's not associated with the WIU?

Someone that's not so associated with a club.

So we have got Simon Thomas, rugby correspondent for the Wales Online.

He's been there for over 33 years, won many, many in a ward,

but he's really humble and he doesn't want to go on about him, thank God.

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