Hello, hello everyone, Malcolm Gladwell here. Before you hear this episode, I want to let

you know about another podcast that you might be interested in. This season on Revisionist

History, I'm diving into one of the weirdest and most infuriating corners of American

life, guns. Six episodes that will take you all away from the Supreme Court to 17th Century

England, to the wilds of Alabama and to the streets of the south side of Chicago. It's

our biggest series yet and one you won't want to miss.

You can binge listen to all six episodes early and add free by subscribing to Pushkin Plus

on Apple Podcasts or by visiting pushkin.fm slash plus. Or you can listen to the episodes

weekly in the Revisionist History podcast feed.

Pushkin

Hi there, bad women listeners. Today we're sharing a little something extra with you.

At the end of last year, Halley had a conversation with Kate Lister, historian of sex work and

host of the podcast for Twix the Sheets, the history of sex, scandal and society. They

spoke about our culture's fascination with serial killers and the role of sojourney

plays in how certain people who are victims of crime are portrayed on our screens and

elsewhere in the media too. We thought you might be interested in their conversation,

so here it is. And if you'd like to check out the Twix the Sheets, you'll find it wherever

you get your podcasts. It's created by our friends over at History Hit, with episodes

out on Tuesdays and Fridays, on everything from medieval sex to the history of cosmetic

surgery. But for now, on with the conversation between Halley and Kate.

What is it with our society's fascination with serial killers? And I count myself amongst

those obsessed with true crime. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Peter Sukliff, Jack the

...