Bruce, welcome to Atwood Unleeched. How are you?

I'm fine. Thank you very much for having me.

It's our pleasure. We have to follow baby Ziggy now, so it's a tall order, but...

I know, I believe we can give it our best shot for sure but yeah thank you for

joining us it's a fascinating topic that we're going to be discussing and you know quite

macabre so I'm kind of tentatively looking forward to getting into the details, but maybe you could just explain a little bit about who you are and what you do please.

Sure. Well, my name is Bruce Ackman. I served as the Special Agent in Charge of the United States Department of Veterans Affairs,

Office of Inspector General Criminal Investigation Division for the Northeast United States.

And what that rather long title all means

is that I was responsible for all the major criminal

investigations involving the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs in the northeast.

That's from West Virginia, the main.

And that include all the veterans hospitals and outpatient clinics and other services they provided.

So it covered hundreds of thousands of employees and millions of veterans here in the United States.

Wow, yeah, I mean just trying to read some of your titles out in the, and your experience

out in the intro at the beginning was a tall order for sure.

So I mean, what keeps somebody in that line of work then really because

obviously to the average civilian like me that we get to almost opt out of the dark

belly of society.

A lot of us never get to see any of the more horrific sides of humanity.

But this is kind of something you were doing on a day-to-day basis.

What's the mentality there that can help well enable

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