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I'm Rebecca LaVoy and this is Crime Riders on the podcast about serial true crime pop culture and this week in serial episode six Sarah and a manual show us that even when you win a case against police brutality it's still pretty frickin hard to get justice.

And we look at a serial killer who the eyes of his daughter in the new podcast happy face joining me get all that done and a whole lot more is my real life husband and true crime co-author former TV journalist and all around great baseball dude Kevin Flint.

Hello Kevin. Rebecca so you have become a real baseball wife as we're in the postseason. I have become a baseball tolerance wife and I will say that he would have caught that ball had that fan out of fear.

I have no skin in the game and I agree that's the case the world series starts on Tuesday. Okay, I have to like power through that. Yeah, you are maybe also where this is journalist true crime author former defense investigator licensed private investigator and certified cat lady Laura Bricker.

Hello Laura good evening Rebecca. I am using my cats in a new capacity to help me watch scary movies as we near Halloween.

You mentioned before we started recording that you're watching that what is it called the haunting of Hill House the haunting of Hill House and it's so scary that I have to have both Felix and Rocky with me on the bed when I'm watching and you're hiding behind your cats. Yeah, it's good as if they're not going to eat you the minute that you're dead.

God, you never know they might they are they are pretty piggy. So they might just what color is the kitty litter term without.

I don't know it's still green so and finally our captain of woke cynicism the brilliant author behind the novels known as the city trilogy and our very own Patreon book club podcast comment on Toby ball good evening Toby.

I am what's up. Well a couple of quick items that I wanted to bring up at the start of the show before we talk about cereal.

First of all, I do a correction to make. Okay last week on the program we were talking about the horrific long sentences that criminals in America get

versus other countries and Toby mentioned on her's bravic who shot like 70 people and also bombed parliament and I said oh that was Sweden right it was not Sweden.

It was Norway and that was totally my fault. Thank you Norway fans. Yes, we are from all all one of you.

Oh, but no, I think I actually got two tweets about it. It was it was it was all me. It was totally me in the back of my mind. I didn't know it was Norway. I said Sweden. I'm sorry.

I'm very, very sorry. And just so you know, Norway I always root for you guys in the winter Olympics in Nordic skiing always always. So that's all that matters. I'm hoping that makes up for it a little bit.

Second, I wanted to mention an amazing post on our Facebook page this week. It is a true crime writers on missed connection and I just want you guys to bear with me when I read this.

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