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The title of this episode was The Deal with Jay. I love this episode. You can't get everybody. Some people say no to the interview. Jay. One of the really impressive things about this episode is the way it humanized him.

Juries love it. They love someone to get up there and say, I saw the person who did it.

And there he is.

Where was Adnan's lawyer?

I got to know more about this defense lawyer. I was totally underwhelmed by the Nisha Call.

Who the hell would he be talking to?

That's a huge third person that no one's ever mentioned.

It was written in pen and that was different.

These guys are so fucking wily.

You could totally misremember something if you add importance to it.

Hi, I'm David Hagland, a senior editor at Slate. Welcome to the something if you add importance to it.

Hi, I'm David Hagland, a senior editor at Slate.

Welcome to the Spoiler Special podcast about serial, the multi-part investigative series from this American life.

Every Thursday we talk about the latest episode, and every Thursday I'm joined by Slate

staff writer Katie Waldman.

She joins me from our DC studio. Hey, Katie.

Hey, David. And our guest this week is Slate's TV critic, Willa Paskin. Welcome, Willa.

Thanks for having me. Today we're talking about episode nine called To Be Suspected. But before we get

started, a little housekeeping, as I'm sure you heard, cereal is not producing a new episode next Thursday.

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