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explicit language. Previously, on the serial spoiler special. I mean, this was a fascinating

development for the show. It really shows the story evolving in real time. The next episode,

which is in two weeks, it would finally be the one about the attorney.

She's not sure, but like she would not convict him.

The question of whether or not you should convict somebody

can be distinguished to some degree

from whether or not you believe they did it.

You can't get everybody. Some people say no to the interview. Jay. I was totally underwhelmed

by the Nisha call. It was written in pen and that was different. You could totally misremember

something if you add importance to it. I can understand the need for sort of an exhalation,

a reset. These guys are so fucking wily.

Hi, I'm David Hagland, a senior editor at Slate.

And this is the spoiler special podcast about serial, the multi-part investigative series from

this American life.

Every Thursday we talk about the latest episode, and every Thursday I'm joined by Slate

staff writer Katie Waldman. She joins me from our DC studio. Hey, Katie. Hey, David. And our guest this week is Slate Assistant Editor, Laura Anderson. Hey, Laura. Hi, David. Today we're going to talk about episode 10 of serial called The Best Defense is a Good Defense. It seemed to me this episode was essentially broken down to two parts. The first part

was all about this question of anti-Muslim sentiment in the investigation in the trial. And the

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