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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've got a great episode.

This week we'll be talking in a few minutes with Mac Maloney.

And he has not been on the show since, what, 2013 or so?

Yeah, too long.

Yeah, far too long. And we are remedying that today. And we have a lot to talk about with him.

In the meantime, I want to bring up a couple of things. I guess the first

thing is we're still seeing here that the UFO field seems to be more credible as far as the

media is concerned after we get to the Area 51 nonsense, which we'll talk to Mac about in the

moment. But again, the thing that worries me here is the questions that came up about Louis

Alizando and what his role was with the Pentagon UFO project, where he claimed to have

headed it.

And then letters received by John Greenwald of the Black Vault indicated, well, he was there, but he wasn't the big cheese.

And what worries me here, not so much that, because people do inflate their credentials more than they should.

It is the mainstream media, the New York Times, the Washington Post, Politico, etc.

CNN, Fox News,

who've covered this story, didn't for a moment question this guy's credentials. That's troublesome.

Well, I think that they did do some background checking and verified that he was at least employed with the Department of Defense, the Defense Intelligence Agency, or some department closely related to it. And he did

have some involvement with it. But whether or not he, in quotes, headed the program is still a matter that is

quite contentious. And we're trying to get Greenwald on to talk some more about this, because

he's really done some quite excellent digging into that. It's also a logical thing to ask

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