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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

Tonight, Nick Redfern serves a dual purpose on the Paracast.

Chris is off on assignment, so we have Nick Redfern serves a dual purpose on the Paracast. Chris is off on assignments, so we have

Nick Redfern, who is our guest co-host and our guest. So in a sense, you're serving

double duty. It's a duality, right, Nick? I guess so. But I wanted to talk first about last week's episode.

I know Nick didn't hear it, and he will shortly.

We featured Ruben Yorte, but also Harry Drew,

who has been investigating for some years,

a series of supposed UFO landings and or crashes in Kingman, Arizona. I had a few problems

with the way he presented it. He's kind of one of those people who was so filled with information.

He has a difficulty organizing the information. No insult intended. I know Chris is impressed with

him and his knowledge. We'll be talking to him at that UFO convention in Northern California, so hopefully we'll get some more information about it.

But part of the problem is that maybe the sourcing that Harry was using for Kingman wasn't quite as authentic as it could be. I don't know.

In any case, our guests this evening, Nick Redfern,

did an article for Mysterious Universe called The Kingman Saucer and the contactee, in a sense,

relating the reports of a Kingman UFO event to a very famous UFO contactee of the 1950s. Nick,

would you explain? Yes, yeah. Well, I mean, the Kingman story, you know, within euphology goes back years.

I mean, it actually first surfaced publicly at least in 1971.

When two young UFO researchers interviewed a guy named Albert Stansel,

who later was put under a pseudonym of Fritz Werner by researcher Ray Fowler.

You know, the story publicly at least goes back now 41 years.

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