September 15, 2024 — Dean Bertram on "The Man Who Invented Flying Saucers"

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🗓️ 15 September 2024

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

Gene and cohost Tim Swartz present a return visit from Dean Bertram, who has a Ph.D in history from the University of Sydney, Australia. His doctoral dissertation was titled “Flying Saucer Culture: An Historical Survey of American UFO Belief.” During this episode, he'll talk about his upcoming documentary, "The Man Who Invented Flying Saucers," about Raymond A. Palmer, notorious for introducing the legendary Shaver Mystery to the readers of Amazing Stories, the sci-fi magazine he edited. Bertram will reveal how the flying saucers were first discussed in that magazine, and expanded upon in Fate magazine, a pulp magazine Palmer co-founded and edited. The dark history of the UFO field, beginning with Men In Black, was chronicled by Palmer and the "original" flying saucer witness, Kenneth Arnold, in their book, "The Coming of Saucers." Bertram is also a filmmaker and film festival programmer. Over 75 years after the modern UFO era began, Bertram, an Australian expatriate and UFO historian, found himself living in central Wisconsin: In a neighboring county to the one Palmer called home, and just a short, back-road, commute to the rural property where Palmer ran his UFO publishing company. In the 1960s and 1970s, Gene visited the homes of Palmer and Shaver, and interviewed both.

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0:00.0	You're in the Paracast. You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.
0:28.2	And now, here's Gene Steinberg.
0:33.0	Before the Dero and the Tiro take over, on episode of the Powercast, where we introduce for another visit, Dean Bertram, who studied the lives of Richard Schaefer and Ray Palmer and such, we're going to talk about something more current.
0:51.6	Like a book that was number one on the New York Times bestseller list,
0:57.1	Louis Alizando's eminent. But when I checked this week, had gone down a few notches, which is
1:02.8	keeping Tim as you remember with the predictions of Dan Harari last week, that the book wouldn't
1:10.0	last on the bestseller list very long.
1:12.5	Right.
1:13.2	Yeah.
1:14.2	What stopped it out then?
1:16.1	Did you notice that?
1:17.8	I did.
1:19.1	Nothing that I remember.
1:21.1	No book that I remember.
1:22.5	So I don't keep track of the Times bestseller list.
1:26.3	But just to have a book get up there for a week,
1:29.8	and it could always go back.
1:31.4	You know, there's no law it says that you're stuck to be one on the bestseller list,
1:37.6	and you go down to whatever it's going to be.
1:40.5	The book is written very much in the style of someone like Donald Kehoe or even Edward
1:48.1	Rupelt, and I think more Edward Rupelt, because we have somebody here who was involved day-to-day
1:54.2	in UIP studies. Now, some interesting things about it. Number one, Lewis, when he was very young, was trained in the Project Stargate program for remote viewing.
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